May 24, 2007

  • Working Outside the Home

    This post is in response to Pamela’s questions and comments in my last post. I was going to just post it as an answer but it was so long that I decided to write a new entry. Here goes…


    Hi Pamela,


    I haven’t been able to find any direct commands in the New Testament showing that it’s a sin for a wife to work outside the home. But, I have found quite a few principles that have guided my decision (along with my husbands) to remain in the home, if at all possible.


    Wives are commanded to be a ‘keeper/worker at home’ in Titus 2:3-5 and then in 1 Timothy 5:14 we’re told that we are to ‘manage the home’. These are direct commands. Both passages say that a woman can bring reproach on Christ if they do not fulfill this duty.


    Here is what each of those terms mean in the Greek language:


    Titus 2:3-5 – “Workers at home”


    Oikouros: “Oikos“- home “ouros”- keeper at home, a guard. One who looks after domestic affairs with prudence and care.


    1 Tim. 5:14 – “Manage the house”


    oikodespoteo – “oikos”- house “despoteo”- to govern


    To govern or manage the domestic affairs of a family


    (Husband is the ruler, she does the ‘ruling’).


    My hesitation with working outside the home has always been… how do I keep the above commands (along with all the other many commands given to women and Christians in general) and take on a job, too? For me, personally, I could not find the time or strength to fulfill them all and take on a part/fulltime job. Something would be lacking. Do I want the lack to be found in God’s direct commands? Or in an area that He has not commanded? Here is just a FEW of His direct commands I’ve found in the New Testament:


    - Bringing up children (1 Tim. 5:10)
    - Showing hospitality ( 1 Tim. 5:10)
    - Washing the feet of the saints (what would be the equivalent to this today? What things could a godly woman do in her home to make a person comfortable when they enter her house?) 1 Tim. 5:10
    - Helping those in trouble ( 1 Tim. 5:10)
    - Help widows in her family (1 Tim. 5:16)
    - Feed the hungry (Matt. 25:35)
    - Give drink to the thirsty (Matt. 25:35)
    - Take in strangers (Matt. 25:35)
    - Clothe the naked (matt. 25:36)
    - Visit the sick (Matt. 25:36)
    - Visit those in prison (Matt. 25:36)

    Honestly, as a stay-at-home wife, I find myself lacking in these areas WITHOUT a part/fulltime job outside the home.


    This is not to say that there may be times of extreme necessity when a woman is asked by her husband to go to work to meet the basic needs of the family. Of course, she is not bound by Scripture not to. But, personally, over the years I’ve rarely seen this be the case in America. Generally, the woman goes to work to provide for the extras (vacation, nicer home, nicer furniture, updates, etc.) because she is not willing to work harder in the home or cut back on her spending or do without.


    The ‘extras’ to me do not make up for what I feel my lack of presence in the home would lose. I don’t personally feel that having extra money to go on vacation or buy nice things makes up for me not being available to minister/ help my husband or my grown children or my church when they need me. The extra things don’t make up for the time lost to minister to those in my neighborhood or even my extended family.


    What about God’s command to not love the things of this world that are passing away? (1 John 2:15-17) Where is the contentment that Paul displayed? He learned to live with much AND little. He counted everything , including the loss of all things, to be nothing in order to gain Christ. (Phil. 3:8) This conviction is rarely seen in American Christian homes. Bigger and better is the motto today.. even for the Christian and I’m just as much to blame. Gaining ‘stuff’ has been the goal of many a Christian home which is so opposite of the Christian we see in the New Testament times.


    This is not to say that there may not be times of extreme necessity when a woman is asked by her husband to go to work to meet basic expenses. Of course, she is not bound by Scripture not to. But, personally, over the years I’ve rarely seen this be the case in America. Generally, the woman goes to work to provide for the extras (vacation, nicer home, nicer furniture, updates, extra money, etc.). Which, there is no law against! She is free to do so if her husband commands it. But, at what cost?


    Laine from Laine’s Letters is a perfect example of what a woman can do on a limited income (I think I read that her husband makes 26,000 a year). Is this easy? Nope! But, I see her life as saying … ‘ God has providentially supplied our family, through my husbands labor, with a certain amount of money. I will work hard to make do and be content with what He has provided.’


    If my husband commanded me to go to work I would submit! But, I would be praying feverishly for a way out. My children are grown and so the loss would be less … although I still believe there would be loss.


    Biggest of hugs!
    Georgene


     


     


     

Comments (16)

  • What a great post, thanks!  Needed the reminder that the home is where I will be the most fulfilled, doing what God has designed me to do.  (but I do sympathize with women who want to stay at home, but because of circumstances, aren’t able to)

  • I work outside my home.  I believe that I should be at home with my children, instead of allowing them to be talk at public school, rather than God’s truth.

    I work outside the home, because that is how my husband sees it.  Keep us in prayer.  I desire to grow a Titus 2 Heart, and be at home with my children training them up in the ways of the Lord.

  • Thank you for encouraging women that it’s best to stay home, but also not saying they’re disobeying God’s commands if they don’t. Before we left for the mission field and had kids, I worked full time and I received enough discouragement from SAH ladies who condemned what my husband and I decided to be the best for our family at that time.

  • Hi Georgene – Thanks for responding! This has been a great time for reexamining where God has us right now, hasn’t it? :)

    This is such a challenging issue. First let me say that I agree with 99% of what you’re saying. Anything about women with children still at home, I am with you 100%. The only difference is when we’re talking about women like you and me whose children are grown. But even at that, my heart is with you. If you look at what I posted on my site today, you’ll probably see that.

    My desire is to not work outside of my home. I do pray that God will some day free me from it. My husband has given me the freedom to quit any time I feel the Lord is definitely leading me that way, but I know that he prefers that I continue to work. I just can’t say for sure that God has directed me to not work. Me specifically. At this stage of my life. Yes, there’s a cost, but there’s a cost either way.

    With only working between 12-18 hours per week on average, that doesn’t really eat into my productiveness in other areas to any great degree. Do all of those who are home never spend an hour or two a day watching a cooking show or other hobby or pasttime? Add that to a few hours a week reading Christian fiction or shopping, and that equals the time I spend at work. But even at that, I don’t think God is counting up any of our hours and measuring to see if we’re as productive as we could be. I couldn’t live under that kind of pressure! Nor do I think that’s His heart toward us. I think He wants us to be in a loving, growing relationship with Him and to be doing what He puts before us.

    I thank God that we have freedom in Christ to do as we think He is leading. I think it’s interesting that Paul said, “For freedom, Christ has set us free…” For freedom. For the freedom to hear God and work out the plan that He specifically has for each one of us. I love Laine. Her writing changed my life. Seriously. Her example started me getting up early and God used that to change my life. I even tried living as frugally as she one winter. Kept the heat at 60. Wore many layers. To me it was an adventure. My dh didn’t feel the same way. We had so many fights that year! :)   We’re not meant to live someone else’s life!

    Like I said at first, primarily we are in agreement. I love you and respect you and value your friendship. You know in Rom 14 where it says to be convinced in your own mind what you believe? I’m convinced that we’re each free to hear God’s specific will for our lives as He directs us through His word and our husbands. And under the same guiding principal of living a life submitted to and in relationship with God, we’re all to discover what God’s specific will is for each of us. So many choices in our freedom, but one God directing us in different ways for His purposes and faithfully loving us all.

    Love, Pam

    P.S. I still wonder why the Lord had the Proverbs 31 woman be partly a businesswoman. A thought just came to me – maybe these were the characteristics of the woman throughout her lifetime. A season for this and a season for that. I don’t know. ;)

  • checking back in, and really liked the comments by Pamela220. I would agree that the seasons of our life change over the years.  It’s funny that I just read the Proverbs 31 woman this morning, and she did have “jobs” outside of her own home, but then she had maids, too.  I don’t think there is just one cut and dry answer for each home.  What’s important is that we seek the Lord to determine what He has for us.

  • Dearest Pamela…. you must follow what YOUR husband feels is best for YOUR family! I know you know this! Women (I’m talkin’ to myself here, too) can be so easily led by other women. We want to please them and do what they are doing. God wants us to submit to our husband’s, not other women… or even other men and their families. God’s sheep hear His voice and follow and His voice is loud and clear through His Word. I hope someday you can stay home if that is your hearts desire. Until then… be the best little part-time worker you can and bring your God much glory through it. Redeem the time! Thanks for all your input.

  • Great thoughts, Georgene! I’m gonna print out those references and do some studying. Thanks for your godly example and encouragement.
    God bless ~E

  • I found Pam’s response most interesting.  I am a SAHM.  My youngest dd will be a senior in HS next year.  Once she goes to college I want to work part-time.  I feel I could have time at home to both do volunteer work and work part time, and I feel that I don’t use all my hours at home productively.  I think really it’s a very individual decision.

  • Hi, it’s me again. I just want to clarify that for the most part, Croatian people are NOT very poor. Though certainly there are those who live in poverty, it’s nothing like what I knew growing up in the Philippines. The economy is such that most women have to work in order to provide for some necessities. But, I know of at least 3 Croatian moms who stay home and they are able to manage financially. –Nina

  • You all have excellent insight and thoughful conclusions – I agree with you, Georgene, and all of the comments. I want to add that, as an “empty nester” who has been a SAHM the whole time, I have found that just when women think their children are old enough and don’t need them at home as much, sometimes that is when they need you more. I found that the college years were the time when I needed to be the most available and flexible – several times for major illnesses when I was able to go and help them through it or bring them home – and then for things they participated in at college that I wanted to be there for.

    This year I went back to school, and it was a decision that my husband was all for and very supportive of. I am glad I did it, but not being home much was a very stressful time for me – I was trying to fit in the needs of the family around my school schedule, my elderly mother had a major illness, and, although my family was wonderful and took care of things that I wasn’t able to, much of the household things that need someone to attend to on a regular basis did not get done, and that has left me trying to catch up this summer. I ended the school year mentally, emotionally, and physically exhausted. It has shown me that I never want to work full time outside the home – part time, maybe, but not yet – I will soon have a grandbaby to play with and help with!

  • Very true in what you say. While I was in England, I worked part time, about 6 hours a week but it caused a lot of problems in our house and made things difficult on the whole family. We were all relieved when I finally stopped working. It does have a direct effect on the family! Thanks for sharing, Georgene!

  • wonderful post!  i believe the proverbs 31 woman worked from home tho, bring clothes in on consignment.  the field she purchased didn’t mean she was a real estate agent but rather  bought for her family from her savings in the budget. :)

  • Lets step on some toes here MINE. I agree with you 100%.   right now we are trying to get a buffer zone in our savings so if something happens we can pay for it  CASH.  Credit cards can be the death of a marriage. Our boys are out of school, I work overnights right now and it’s NOT the greatest thing going.  But it’s only a temp thing.  We can make it on one salary but everyone wants the extras, cell phones the satalite TV etc….. Now we turned off the house phone since we all have cell phones, why pay for a home phone too.  I could live with out the TV, the internet I would like to keep. Have a great day with the LORD.  I am going to enjoy my 3 day weekend with my hubby!!!!! This is my first weekend off in years. Dawn

  • Let me tell you a little about myself–I have a husband who is in school full time working on his masters, teaching voice lessons on the side, he coaches high school basketball, and is shepherding a church. We make less than 30,000 a year. I have 4 children, ages 11, 7, 5, 3, and a baby on the way in 3 months. I home school. I tell you all this to let you know—We need the women who have already raised their children to HELP! There are sooooo many needs! Please just ask! PLEASE do not go to get a real estate job because the Proverbs 31 woman bought a field—- ( I am being a little edgy here) but I must tell you what I see happening in the Christian community.
    We have been involved in a large fellowship and I have been involved in interdenominational city wide Christian women studies. I was not able to think of 1 woman in our community who had reared her children well and would be willing to take the time to minister to a hurting wife and mother we know whose husband has just asked for a divorce. Those I could think of were working or running huge bible studies and could not put in one on one time to invest in this young woman’s life. Some even stating “helps” was not their gift. I am not saying that bible studies are bad–they are good, maybe even better. Could we pass the test of, “Is that loving your neighbor as yourself? Is it the best?” These are the questions I wish women who have empty nests would be asking themselves? Is it best to busy oneself so much that one cannot take 3 hours a day to minister to someone else? I am not saying that working is bad. But if everyone busies themselves with personal accomplishments to fill in their time (with what the world would consider worthwhile time management), who will help the downtrodden and downcast? —– The church?????(This always seems to mean the pastor and his wife.)
    I thought and prayed and considered what older woman I knew who could go to sit with this hurting young wife and mother (Who, by the way, belongs to the former mega church that we used to belong to.) Where are all the women at that church? (Many are out selling real estate or Mary Kay or putting together that subjective teaching for a behind the pulpit teaching time). To help her do laundry and cook meals, lift her from the couch to take a walk, play with her son, take her out to the park, and yes, tell her about every minute that God would provide for her and God would deal with her husband as she wept and wept. I could think of none. I am not exaggerating. This broken hearted wife stayed with another homeschool mother during the first week and a few nights after, a woman who had just delivered a newborn babe and has 3 children under 7. If only I had 3 women (I would even settle for 2 women, Ok 1!), that I knew to call who had raised their children, and maybe had an extra bedroom in their home, who would be willing to do the best and take in this broken heart and devastated young lady. But it seems a majority have gone to work or are teaching major Bible studies and are just not able to spend the one on one time with someone so needy.

  • I did take the time to look over those verses some more. Thanks for the challenge. I also am reading a book by Karen Ehman called “A Life That Says Welcome”. I’m not a big reader of books, but this one is awesome – lots of practical ideas.
    God bless ~E

  • So glad I came back to read what others had written. sixAs post broke my heart. It’s just too true. It really convicts, me, too. Our daughter, and only child, will go to college in Fall 2008, and I’ve been full of questions about what I will do when she is gone—and all my answers were self-centered!

    I often wonder what impact a church could make in a community if it’s ladies were home and available to serve. So much could be done. Yet, how many Pastors are willing to preach this message from their pulpit?

    Thank you for being willing to touch on a “touchy” subject! All of your posts are a blessing to me.

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